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hashlock_p2p 13 minutes ago [-]
I think there will be less discrimination in Ai Agent era
hashlock_p2p 13 minutes ago [-]
I think in Agent economy , there will be less discrimination
JohnFen 1 hours ago [-]
The problem is that, apparently, abusing people wholesale is profitable.
NietzscheanNull 44 minutes ago [-]
Drug dealing is profitable. Chattel slavery was exceptionally profitable.
To allow profitability to be our measure of permissibility is to sacrifice civil society at the altar of enterprising tyrants. Economics should never be a substitute for ethics.
keybored 11 minutes ago [-]
Did the Union have economic use for chattel slavery or “wage slavery” as some called it around that time?
I’ve never heard of mainstream economics serving people. Maybe Keynesianism did?
Barrin92 6 minutes ago [-]
>Chattel slavery was exceptionally profitable.
it wasn't. Slave economies are exceptionally unprofitable and unproductive. To take the US as an example. Liquid wealth, i.e. capital, was vastly larger in the North than in the slave owning states, the industrial output of New York exceeded the entire Confederacy and it was that profitability, wealth and mechanized agricultural production that did them in.
Even Marx recognized this by the way, following feudalism capitalism was a progressive force, it was profit, productivity and surplus that enabled civil society, the north was more civil because it was rich and had unlocked modern forms of production. The problem of capitalism is not profit or lack of civil society.
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markus_zhang 19 minutes ago [-]
They are just trying to give the boat different paints and hope it never sinks.
saulpw 1 hours ago [-]
"Capitalism" can't become more humane, by its nature. Money is a great technology for coordinating people and work, but capitalism (being the system in which the capital class is allowed to allocate resources without oversight, and to reap the vast majority of the rewards of everyone's labor and invention) systematically optimizes away anything that is not monetizable. And humanity is neither monetizable nor optimizable.
"More poems, faster, cheaper!"
slwvx 1 hours ago [-]
I think social democracy is, by its nature, trying to be a humane system while allowing a form of capitalism. The Nordics may not be a perfect example of social democracy, but a useful one. Looking closer to home, the progressive era in the US was all about making society more humane while still allowing capitalism. In the sense of capitalism of these examples, I definitely think it can be humane.
yes that's why it's inhumane and relies on unequal exchange/exploitation of the global south while still backsliding on domestic welfare appeasement policies
simianwords 9 minutes ago [-]
Global south is not exploited inhumanely. This ideology called "thirdworldism" or "decolonialism" is becoming popular but it ultimately fails on any scrutiny.
The west has not got rich at the expense of the global south. Both have gone up
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thedudeabides5 10 minutes ago [-]
new new deal type stuff
keybored 13 minutes ago [-]
There is no oil left in the engine. “Slap a smiley face on the dashboard.” Many such cases.
There will never be a just-a-little-exploitation capitalism coming from the bougies or their academic henchmen. They have to chase profit, that’s the game. A just-a-little-exploitation capitalism can only come from the working class fighting back. Then when that happens the bougies try to win their fair-share back and again and so we go back and forth, but only a few times not that many because of ecological breakdown.
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derelicta 41 minutes ago [-]
Capitalism with a human face doesn't make sense. It's like talking about Ethical Theft. It might have served its purpose, but now it's time to move on.
janmarsal 40 minutes ago [-]
does more humane mean more taxes?
metalman 32 minutes ago [-]
wow!, holy fuck eh!
so what next, mass "involuntary uthenasia"
as starving to death on the street isn't "humane", the volunteer variety in Canada must be too slow and expensive
louwrentius 1 hours ago [-]
I agree, but Capitalism is inherently an unequal system, one group of people own the capital and the rest doesn't. And nobody talks about where that initial capital came from (large-scale theft, wage theft, slavery, and so on).
That means this inherent inequality gives one group tremendous power over the other.
What we really need is a system that doesn't automatically promote psychopaths and sociopaths to the top, the more ruthless, the more money you make, despite the human cost. We need a system that doesn't value money/capital as much, but other outcomes.
And we especially don't need Billionaire Philanthropists. Pay the damn taxes.
Yet, this is the site for the Temporary Embarrassed Billionaires, so I know how this will go over...
coldtea 1 hours ago [-]
Wow, such insight. It was worth their parent's sacrifices to send them to study Economics.
To allow profitability to be our measure of permissibility is to sacrifice civil society at the altar of enterprising tyrants. Economics should never be a substitute for ethics.
I’ve never heard of mainstream economics serving people. Maybe Keynesianism did?
it wasn't. Slave economies are exceptionally unprofitable and unproductive. To take the US as an example. Liquid wealth, i.e. capital, was vastly larger in the North than in the slave owning states, the industrial output of New York exceeded the entire Confederacy and it was that profitability, wealth and mechanized agricultural production that did them in.
Even Marx recognized this by the way, following feudalism capitalism was a progressive force, it was profit, productivity and surplus that enabled civil society, the north was more civil because it was rich and had unlocked modern forms of production. The problem of capitalism is not profit or lack of civil society.
"More poems, faster, cheaper!"
For a more recent example, listen to this podcast episode: https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/vanguard
The west has not got rich at the expense of the global south. Both have gone up .
There will never be a just-a-little-exploitation capitalism coming from the bougies or their academic henchmen. They have to chase profit, that’s the game. A just-a-little-exploitation capitalism can only come from the working class fighting back. Then when that happens the bougies try to win their fair-share back and again and so we go back and forth, but only a few times not that many because of ecological breakdown.
That means this inherent inequality gives one group tremendous power over the other.
What we really need is a system that doesn't automatically promote psychopaths and sociopaths to the top, the more ruthless, the more money you make, despite the human cost. We need a system that doesn't value money/capital as much, but other outcomes.
And we especially don't need Billionaire Philanthropists. Pay the damn taxes. Yet, this is the site for the Temporary Embarrassed Billionaires, so I know how this will go over...